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Whither Forever War?

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Tigari
Sigh. Decius you are the worse at twisting words to meet what you want them to mean… Why do you still keep trying?

I'll say this bluntly..and I don't mean to be nice about it.. You are Toxic, you are damaging to this community.. Your utter hate for Pax, and now Golgotha has you trying to twist words, and lie to those who follow you, so they too follow your hate. If Phaeros was smart, they'd remove you from leadership, and ask the citizens of phaeros to actually read the facts, and not just listen to your minds twisted little lies. Is this why Benion thinks WE just started murderhobo'ing the south again? Is he another victim of your lies, deceit and hate?

Tigari, in your post you essentially stated that a vassal of EoX attacked a member of EBA, Eox felt that it don't mattered to them as it wasn't a part of Eox, but when it was attacked it suddenly mattered as it was a part of Eox.

So what were they? Part of EoX or not? And if they were not how is that you gave them ownership of a tower that affected an EoX settlement?
It is a game of (un)plausible deniability.
If the loss of the tower of this vassal group mattered for EoX it was a part of EoX.
If they were no part of EoX their losses should haven't mattered to you.

Saying that they were no part of Eox when they broke an agreement but that they are part of EoX when they are attacked is simply playing for a casus belli.

Tigari
AGC was not appart of the treaty. They were not appart of the empire. If Phaeros would have attacked AGC, and even if they slaughtered them over and over, the empire would have not gotten involved. It would have been up to AGC to do they're own politics. If Phaeros leadership would of tried to talk to EoX leadership before attacking they easly would of known this, but instead they took it upon themselves to just attack AGC towers, which effected the empire, bringing us in.

EDIT: also, any goods AGC would of gotten from the hex would of stayed with AGC unless they sold it to us. Like I've said many times, they were not apart of the empire, we treated them as their own entity. They just were in charge of towers (Their rent). So the towers were the empires, but were under the care of AGC.

Here you are doing it again. "They are part of our empire when it suit us, not part when it suit us."
By the same logic, the guys that attacked the tower weren't' part of Pharos, they were a revenge mob.

Elsworth Sugarfoot
How is placing a small holding in a hex and farming an escalation an attack? That was something you wanted to break the truce over? You didn't try any diplomacy at all, you went straight for the military option, which we were more than happy to oblige.
Beinion
If they were not a part of EoX then there towers should not have been considered a part of EoX so because they put down a holding and had there towers taken they could not pay there rent if it was a house and the tenant can't pay there rent do you go after the guy how didn't give him his pay ceck or after the guy who didn't pay the rent
Comes back to meaningful choices they should have known that taking those actions wouuld have caused pharos to retaliate and it should have been up to them to use deplomicy to get there towers back and taken whatever EoX desided to do for there lack of rent
When EoX steps in to defend them all that says is they are a part of EoX we were just trying to pull the wool over your eyes
AlexanderDamocles
Beinion
If they were not a part of EoX then there towers should not have been considered a part of EoX so because they put down a holding and had there towers taken they could not pay there rent if it was a house and the tenant can't pay there rent do you go after the guy how didn't give him his pay ceck or after the guy who didn't pay the rent
Comes back to meaningful choices they should have known that taking those actions wouuld have caused pharos to retaliate and it should have been up to them to use deplomicy to get there towers back and taken whatever EoX desided to do for there lack of rent
When EoX steps in to defend them all that says is they are a part of EoX we were just trying to pull the wool over your eyes

Dude, punctuation.
Decius
Elsworth Sugarfoot
How is placing a small holding in a hex and farming an escalation an attack? That was something you wanted to break the truce over? You didn't try any diplomacy at all, you went straight for the military option, which we were more than happy to oblige.
How was AGC losing a tower an attack? That was what you broke the truce over. You didn't try any diplomacy at all, you went straight for the griefer option.

Rhetoric aside, placing a smallholding within our declared borders was one of the few things that was not permitted. Part of a 'truce' would be not flagrantly violating declared borders; if the borders are being forcibly disputed then there is no truce.

Seizing a single AGC tower in response was a limited response. A full-scale responses was considered and rejected.
Beinion
Elsworth Sugarfoot
How is placing a small holding in a hex and farming an escalation an attack? That was something you wanted to break the truce over? You didn't try any diplomacy at all, you went straight for the military option, which we were more than happy to oblige.
If you have read the old eba teritory claim it says in there that farming or placing a smallholding in a hex claimed by the EBA was consider an agressive action on the EBA
Beinion
AlexanderDamocles
Beinion
If they were not a part of EoX then there towers should not have been considered a part of EoX so because they put down a holding and had there towers taken they could not pay there rent if it was a house and the tenant can't pay there rent do you go after the guy how didn't give him his pay ceck or after the guy who didn't pay the rent
Comes back to meaningful choices they should have known that taking those actions wouuld have caused pharos to retaliate and it should have been up to them to use deplomicy to get there towers back and taken whatever EoX desided to do for there lack of rent
When EoX steps in to defend them all that says is they are a part of EoX we were just trying to pull the wool over your eyes

Dude, punctuation.
Sry it is hard when doing posts from my phone. I get in text mode and don't use it in texts
Midnight
The truce that never was, was always doomed because Phaeros hates us and we love PvP.

Peaceful settlements can overlook an occasional transgression. Bellicose nations do not.

Thank the gods for Phaeros' irrational unquenchable hate.
He who wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper.
-Edmund Burke
Caldeathe Baequiannia
Beinion
Unfortunately there is no way for EoX to attack different people with out breaking an agreement and then having the entire server against EoX
You are making that up. There is no such agreement involving the HRC.
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Caldeathe Baequiannia
Beinion
So putting a small holding in EBA teritory
There's a large, and potentially flawed, assumption, there.
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