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Outlaw Council Meeting: December 2017

Giorgio
Huran
Just a thought…
The outlaw council has been getting a lot of 'bad press' in the past as well as this thread. I can see why Goblinworks might hesitate to hold another one.

I did a search of previous Outlaw Council threads and I don't see any "bad press" besides the usual complaints of non-settlement leaders who are deliberately screaming "elitist" and "not fair" at ever opportunity. Considering that it was GW Lisa who started these meetings, I understand they where/are of valuable feedback to the developers.

Huran
With the population so low, why not have an open meeting and see who shows? This could be done on discord easy enough and we can even designate a moderator if people are concerned with others being disrespectful.

You are referring the once or twice a month general public meetings that GW also use to have and engage with the general PFO community directly?

I would be more that happy to see the Keepside Chat meetings continue. smile
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Giorgio
You are a Troll
It's not a game changer, but it is elitist.

Says the agent provocateur who has participated in the last Keepside Chat meeting in April 2016 and who knows well that these meetings are open to the public in addition to the once every few months settlement leaders specific meeting that were also held.
First Elder Durin Steelforge; Leader of Forgeholm; Founder of Steelforge Engineering Company

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Giorgio
Bringslite-Dominion Soldier
PM Bob or Lisa.

Wow BL, could you have tried a bit harder to insult me? I would have preferred a straight up "shut up and take your conversation private as I think its a waste a time and I don't want to read about it" instead of telling me to contact the developers privately.

I have had conversations with you directly so I seriously doubt you meant your comments that way, it but sure came across like that to me! smile (Before you edited the post and added a smiley face; still the first response was not exactly a friendly one)

1- I know how to contact the games developers besides the forums, and I have previously contact GW on this request; I don't publish their private response without prior permission.

2- I did my research before I posted this thread, and I did not see anyone in the last two years requesting a meeting or laying out a case of why one is necessary. I also recall participating in a few of these meetings to be of value, and I imagine so did GW as the did it more than once.

3- There is a reason I posted in the "General Public Forum" and not by a private communication.

4- There is also a reason that GW has not had an OC meeting in the last two years. There is also a complete lack of interest expressed by settlement leaders on the forums for another one. I disagree with that "I couldn't care less/its completely pointless" prevailing attitude.

5- I am not forcing you to read or participate in this thread; if you don't like it don't respond. If you feel that OC meetings are pointless, feel free to advocate for the Keepside Chats to be renewed, no one else seems to care about the lack of direct verbal communications with the game developers but me it seems. I also don't see anyone brining up the fact that Keepside Chats haven't been done since April of 2016, why is no one concerned about that or working to bring it back? For those players "screaming" that the OC is "elitest" and "pointless" why are they not advocating for a general public meeting instead?
First Elder Durin Steelforge; Leader of Forgeholm; Founder of Steelforge Engineering Company

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Giorgio
Riff
Still a fresh open forum, rather than closed group of us settlement leaders rehashing old disputes, may actually be a good idea.

Are you aware of the Keepside Chats we use to have?

If not, you can catch up with the link above. smile
First Elder Durin Steelforge; Leader of Forgeholm; Founder of Steelforge Engineering Company

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Flari-Merchant
Giorgio
Bringslite-Dominion Soldier
PM Bob or Lisa.

Wow BL, could you have tried a bit harder to insult me? I would have preferred a straight up "shut up and take your conversation private as I think its a waste a time and I don't want to read about it" instead of telling me to contact the developers privately.

I have had conversations with you directly so I seriously doubt you meant your comments that way, it but sure came across like that to me! smile (Before you edited the post and added a smiley face; still the first response was not exactly a friendly one)

1- I know how to contact the games developers besides the forums, and I have previously contact GW on this request; I don't publish their private response without prior permission.

2- I did my research before I posted this thread, and I did not see anyone in the last two years requesting a meeting or laying out a case of why one is necessary. I also recall participating in a few of these meetings to be of value, and I imagine so did GW as the did it more than once.

3- There is a reason I posted in the "General Public Forum" and not by a private communication.

4- There is also a reason that GW has not had an OC meeting in the last two years. There is also a complete lack of interest expressed by settlement leaders on the forums for another one. I disagree with that "I couldn't care less/its completely pointless" prevailing attitude.

5- I am not forcing you to read or participate in this thread; if you don't like it don't respond. If you feel that OC meetings are pointless, feel free to advocate for the Keepside Chats to be renewed, no one else seems to care about the lack of direct verbal communications with the game developers but me it seems. I also don't see anyone brining up the fact that Keepside Chats haven't been done since April of 2016, why is no one concerned about that or working to bring it back? For those players "screaming" that the OC is "elitest" and "pointless" why are they not advocating for a general public meeting instead?
I think that you are misunderstanding me, Giorgio and I apologize for that. It's a dig at PfO because you can't PM Bob or Lisa and you very well should be able to easily do that through the game itself.

Again, I am sorry that I did not communicate that very well. smile
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Giorgio
Bringslite-Dominion Soldier
I think that you are misunderstanding me, Giorgio and I apologize for that. It's a dig at PfO because you can't PM Bob or Lisa and you very well should be able to easily do that through the game itself.

Again, I am sorry that I did not communicate that very well. smile

I definitely did misunderstand you, apology accepted. We can now go back to regularly respectfully disagreeing with each other on a wide variety of subjects. smile
First Elder Durin Steelforge; Leader of Forgeholm; Founder of Steelforge Engineering Company

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Giorgio
@BL,

Speaking of these forums not having the ability to send PMs, I would like to let you know that if I HAD THE CHANCE to directly PM each settlement leader about this topic and engage in an "off forum" conversation first, that would have been my first choice of action. smile

Then I could have made my case directly to the settlement leaders and gauged interest and participation numbers.

Not having that option, I had to resort to the general forums to try to catch the attention of 30 (or so) different settlement leaders.
First Elder Durin Steelforge; Leader of Forgeholm; Founder of Steelforge Engineering Company

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Flari-Merchant
As for emailing them, Bob particularly, is good at responding to requests with a yes or no but most importantly some "why" mixed in. I had no idea that you had already done that.
"I buy Azoth for 5sp/ea. I will trade Enchanting or other rare materials/anything for Azoth. Contact me if interested. GET YOUR COIN EASY!"
uotopia@msn.com
Flari-Merchant
Giorgio
@BL,

Speaking of these forums not having the ability to send PMs, I would like to let you know that if I HAD THE CHANCE to directly PM each settlement leader about this topic and engage in an "off forum" conversation first, that would have been my first choice of action. smile

Then I could have made my case directly to the settlement leaders and gauged interest and participation numbers.

Not having that option, I had to resort to the general forums to try to catch the attention of 30 (or so) different settlement leaders.

I can't speak for settlement leaders, especially as I am not really one myself, but what I imagine is that they all already know what the Paizo response will be.

"We would love to do that now. We are planning to do that in some fashion in the future. Right now we are on a tight and locked schedule that is absorbing more time than we have already."

Which is essentially true and a decision made above our heads. Don't think that there hasn't been lots of back and forth about the exact order outlined in the Roadmap, because there definitely has. Personally I am better writing my thoughts and opinions than I am at speaking them. Even if I could speak them as clearly as I might be able to write them the only way to give them more Effect Power would be to have to raise my voice. I am not willing to do that for a game.

Yet, as I have written above, I am fine with you trying to organize a big voice chat meeting. Honestly I will be impressed if it makes a real difference and will praise you if it does.
"I buy Azoth for 5sp/ea. I will trade Enchanting or other rare materials/anything for Azoth. Contact me if interested. GET YOUR COIN EASY!"
uotopia@msn.com
You are a Troll
Things talked (written) out openly here in the forums are part of the public record of the game, and available to all (even if searching old posts is only possible without outside the forum help). Things talked about in some kind of *invite only* voice chat are not, and that goes against the very spirit of crowd-forging that PFO is supposed to be built on.
 
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