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|Azure_Zero 09.12.2018 10:24|
That is why I put the word imagine in my reply to your ideas, cause I don't know what the Devs would of set as the cost for each one.
Especially number two, since it is countering the "possible banditry" design point of the game a lot and makes AH's extremely valuable to the point where every settlement would want one for item teleporting to skip vast distances and all banditry chances.
If I had to guess at the cost of a single transaction of item teleporting using your number two idea, as this is my idea of the cost and not goblinwork's idea of cost at all for all I know they could opt for cheaper or go the other way and be more expensive.
I figure teleport cost would be equal to "Number of hexes crossed" times "Tier level" times 2 gold pieces for each transaction.
|Azure_Zero 09.12.2018 10:01|
Some of those Options look good Brings, but I can imagine your first 3 ideas would be VERY expensive.
|Azure_Zero 09.12.2018 09:21|
In My Security thread, Maxen brought up that we need coin sinks.
I thought of a collection that work at a company level and one does have a minor gambling aspect.
My first idea of a set of interacting features with many parts that are coin sinks;
One Part is "Pay for Loyalty " and it interacts with "Take a Peek" and it's subsequent options.
Where companies put coin in their "Company Secure Vault" and set a Weekly coin value (Referred to as "Guard's Pay" ) to Keep their holding guards loyal, the amount that is Deducted Weekly is the "Weekly coin value(The Guard's Pay)" times "a quarter the number of your holdings(rounded down)."
The Second part is "Take a Peek" and it interacts with "Pay for Loyalty."
Where anyone in a Company (currently referred to as Bandit) can Bribe the Guards of a holding to peek into the holding's vault(s) (referred to as the Bandit's Bribe), but this is a gamble.
If the "Bandit's Bribe" is lower then 75% of the "Guard's Pay", the Guard will report the attempt to peek at that holding along with Which Company it was, and the bribe is not taken.
If the "Bandit's Bribe" is between then 75% and 125% of the "Guard's Pay" the guard will not report the attempt and take the bribe to keep quiet.
If the "Bandit's Bribe" is greater then 125% of the "Guard's Pay" the guard will not report the attempt, take the bribe, and allow peeking into the Holding Secure Vault.
If the "Bandit's Bribe" is greater then 200% of the "Guard's Pay" the guard will not report the attempt, take the bribe, and allow peeking into the ALL the holding's Vaults Vault.
The Third part is "Hiest" and piggy backs on "Take a Peek."
Where anyone with a successful "Bandit's Bribe" can Bribe the Guards of a holding to Move ALL contents from every vault into the Holding Vault.
This requires a "Hiest payment" that is two times the given "Bandit's Bribe" for that holding's Guards.
The Forth part is "Lockdown" and piggy backs on "Take a Peek."
Where anyone with a successful "Bandit's Bribe" can can Bribe the Guards of a holding to Lockdown ALL contents in the Holding Vault.
But requires that a "Bandit's Bribe" was high enough for the guard to Take the Bribe for this option to open up.
This requires a "Lockdown payment" that is two times the given "Bandit's Bribe" for that holding's Guards and only lasts 36 hours.
So now I ask what are YOUR ideas for coin sinks in the game what would ADD to the game and are New features and or new Game mechanics only.
Let's be creative here.
|Azure_Zero 09.12.2018 08:37|
BringsliteAzure_ZeroAs was recently mentioned and probably previously mentioned, it might actually be beneficial to see more mechanics put into action and actually have players In-Game playing them before a bunch of changes are made to existing mechanics. Kinda a departure from my previous point of View but it could be valuable to see more things in action (working in sync) than keep adjusting things piece by piece and not really getting anywhere.
That I think is the best answer until the faction system comes in and we can start doing proper balancing of hex security costs and benefits.
|Azure_Zero 09.12.2018 08:08|
I don't think the factions system will completely fix the High-Sec issue.
As I recall only High ranking members of a factor are always PVP targets for opposing factions,
Anyone in the lower ranks can opt out of PVP of the faction system.
Therefore the Sticks and or Carrots for each level of hex security should still be balanced from what it is.
|Azure_Zero 09.11.2018 17:58|
We'll have to wait and see what Goblinworks does to Balance the hex security settings.
They might go down the stick route for High Sec and or Carrots for Med and Low Sec.
|Azure_Zero 09.11.2018 16:43|
I hope the pseudo code design notes I posted for it give a good starting framework for implementation.
|Azure_Zero 09.11.2018 14:01|
There was PVP before the Sec system came in, even if it was rare.
The benefit of High Sec currently does NOT match the cost at all.
That player safely should be easy for new players and or weaker settlements to have access to, NOT the High End can do anything settlements.
Compromise is a two way street; Both the PVPers and the Non-PVPers need to sacrifice something.
I'm Not Pro-PVP, but I do acknowledge it is needed and the current setup is too protective of Non-PVP groups all the way to Max level.
The Problem is the Sec system, it needs fixing and balancing of the cost for Each Security setting,
this NEEDS to happen and the Non-PVP groups may not like the coming costs and may start needing to sacrifice the security of their outer territory.
Right now bandits can't be bandits due to the High Sec areas where their prey shelter's itself, and the High sec groups say just feud us for your PVP, and what happens when they are feuded is they stash the goods and hide in their settlement for the feud or Company hop.
|Azure_Zero 09.11.2018 13:00|
A feud can't be stopped with High Sec hex even now and if it did I'd of set the percentage to an extra 100%.
Feuds are a part of the game's design, so feud immunity should cost a settlement so much that it would be impossible to keep it up for no more then a week or two before being forced to lowering it to normal or even low, or face complete shutdown of everything and becoming extremely vulnerable to attacks.
If the High Sec was to just use Coin as a tax I'd be setting the formula as such,
Coin Cost for High Sec of any one Hex/Day = (max holding level in hex ^ 1.5f) * 1 gold piece;
So each +0 holding in High sec cost 1 gold piece for each day, while each +5 holding would cost 11 gold and 18 silver for each day.
|Azure_Zero 09.11.2018 12:15|
but from what I see, Bulk resources are still on the table for Payment of that High Security certain groups want with no real cost or payment to be made,
It might not be the same percentage as I posted, for All we know it could be end up being 10%, not 30%.
Bulk resource cost as payment is a meaningful choice even if it is a little extra for that added security.
As Bob stated; coin can be very plentiful, but the Bulk is not so, which makes it in part or all for the payment of added security, fair game.