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Azure_Zero 04.19.2016 19:32
	Who'll be Host since Hoffman's not been around for a good while? Quote

Azure_Zero 04.19.2016 19:21
	I'll make a recording as usual as well. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.19.2016 06:58
	NPC towns like Marchmont, Rathglen, Ossian's Crossing, Kindle Burn, and or Rotter's Hole will not always be around, as they have been planned for demolition since they are no longer really used and were placeholders for Thornkeep until they could get it up without problems and start spawning all the new players there. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.18.2016 06:21
	Edam One advantage not mentioned yet is you get MUCH tougher guards at higher plus. That one is a well known part that is already in. A thing you missed with these new changes is that Higher + crafting (and somewhat class type) holdings is that they become higher value targets in a feud/war. For example a +5 crafting holding exceeds a settlement's crafting quality hence more likely to give crits and better crits, if you wanted to hinder them breaking gates and do some economic damage you could feud and take that holding reducing it by 1 (so +4, still good), if they take it back it it degrades again (so +3, it's OK, but it lost a lot of value), so if the feuded group wants that superior crafting ability back they have to spend the resources on making it again. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.18.2016 06:21

Edam
One advantage not mentioned yet is you get MUCH tougher guards at higher plus.

That one is a well known part that is already in.

A thing you missed with these new changes is that Higher + crafting (and somewhat class type) holdings is that they become higher value targets in a feud/war.
For example a +5 crafting holding exceeds a settlement's crafting quality hence more likely to give crits and better crits, if you wanted to hinder them breaking gates and do some economic damage you could feud and take that holding reducing it by 1 (so +4, still good), if they take it back it it degrades again (so +3, it's OK, but it lost a lot of value), so if the feuded group wants that superior crafting ability back they have to spend the resources on making it again.

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Azure_Zero 04.17.2016 09:36
	Decius ….. … but I don't think that a max level holding should ever be better than a max level settlement structure. Cheaper, sure. that is to compensate for the needed transport of the raw mats to and the refined mats from the holding since they are not attached to the settlement bank and thus could be intercepted by bandits or those whom your in a feud with. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.16.2016 09:28
	I've run the map and seen a number of holdings and a 99% of them are at +0 operation, with generally an inn holding next to a monster hex for power recovery. The Inn holding is freaking great next to a monster/home hex since you don't need to travel far to recharge. But All the inns I've seen are +0, most likely due to the fact the power recharge rate is unchanged, and should have a +4 added on for each + on active on the holding. (gives a reason to put up a higher operation cost) While the Class type holdings (Shrine, Watchtower, Barracks etc) are near useless since most groups have their training in settlement, and not using a holding to swap out for another class building. But when the new settlement upkeep costs come in, folks might be going with higher + Class type holdings since their upkeep is cheaper and can help give feats that are needed, but since it caps at level 15, it might be a pain (if the equation was +0 starts at 9, and went non-linear it would push the holdings a bit more) i.e 9(+0), 10,(+1), 11(+2), 13(+3), 15(+4), 20(+5). Now Crafting type holdings (Farm, Mine, Quarry, etc) are the most useless of them all. For one major reason, They are not connected to a bank in the settlement and materials must be carried there. Add in that +0 Crafting holdings have NO crafting queue, and the quality rating is poor from +1 to +5. To make it worth people's while to put up and use crafting type holdings, the Queue MUST be available at even +0, and the crafting quality should be 100 at +0 (effectively settlement level 12). And the Crafting quality equation for holdings should be (100+(X*(+Val))^2) where X = 2.8, or (100(+0), 107.84(+1), 131.36(+2), 170.56(+3), 225.44 (+4), 296(+5)). This would make them useful and with a way of making the higher + values worth it. But this still might not be enough to counter the settlement bank access, in that case I'd change X to 3.0 or (100.0(+0), 109.0(+1), 136.0(+2), 181.0(+3), 244.0(+4), 325(+5)). With a Crafting Holding operating at +5 (with an X = 3.0) it would beat a settlement running at level 20 for refining and thus become more valuable and looked at to be used by settlements looking to get crits. These changes would also in turn cause outposts attached to the holding to be better then +0, +1, + 2 or +3 forcing a need for +4 and +5 outposts, since a +5 Holding eats a lot of bulk goods (3 resources of 30 each day). This set of minor changes would push the need to use both higher level holding and outposts. So What do people think of these changes to holdings that I'm proposing. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.16.2016 09:28

I've run the map and seen a number of holdings and a 99% of them are at +0 operation, with generally an inn holding next to a monster hex for power recovery.

The Inn holding is freaking great next to a monster/home hex since you don't need to travel far to recharge.
But All the inns I've seen are +0, most likely due to the fact the power recharge rate is unchanged, and should have a +4 added on for each + on active on the holding. (gives a reason to put up a higher operation cost)

While the Class type holdings (Shrine, Watchtower, Barracks etc) are near useless since most groups have their training in settlement, and not using a holding to swap out for another class building. But when the new settlement upkeep costs come in, folks might be going with higher + Class type holdings since their upkeep is cheaper and can help give feats that are needed, but since it caps at level 15, it might be a pain (if the equation was +0 starts at 9, and went non-linear it would push the holdings a bit more)
i.e 9(+0), 10,(+1), 11(+2), 13(+3), 15(+4), 20(+5).

Now Crafting type holdings (Farm, Mine, Quarry, etc) are the most useless of them all. For one major reason, They are not connected to a bank in the settlement and materials must be carried there. Add in that +0 Crafting holdings have NO crafting queue, and the quality rating is poor from +1 to +5. To make it worth people's while to put up and use crafting type holdings, the Queue MUST be available at even +0, and the crafting quality should be 100 at +0 (effectively settlement level 12). And the Crafting quality equation for holdings should be (100+(X*(+Val))^2) where X = 2.8,
or (100(+0), 107.84(+1), 131.36(+2), 170.56(+3), 225.44 (+4), 296(+5)).
This would make them useful and with a way of making the higher + values worth it.
But this still might not be enough to counter the settlement bank access, in that case I'd change X to 3.0
or (100.0(+0), 109.0(+1), 136.0(+2), 181.0(+3), 244.0(+4), 325(+5)).
With a Crafting Holding operating at +5 (with an X = 3.0) it would beat a settlement running at level 20 for refining and thus become more valuable and looked at to be used by settlements looking to get crits.

These changes would also in turn cause outposts attached to the holding to be better then +0, +1, + 2 or +3 forcing a need for +4 and +5 outposts, since a +5 Holding eats a lot of bulk goods (3 resources of 30 each day).
This set of minor changes would push the need to use both higher level holding and outposts.

So What do people think of these changes to holdings that I'm proposing.

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Azure_Zero 04.13.2016 19:20
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Azure_Zero 04.13.2016 06:39
	Not a mac user, though I've used a unix OS. Odds are there is a config file somewhere in either your user account, or a system folder. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.13.2016 06:33
	Decius Placement of inns isn't a problem, it's an emergent effect working nearly as intended. If there is a problem it's that none of the other holdings do anything (and possibly that inns don't have a way to profit from outside use or limit who can use it). I have to agree with Decius on this to a good degree. The Inn holding is freaking great next to a monster/home hex since you don't need to travel far to recharge. But All the inns I've seen are +0, most likely due to the fact the power recharge rate is unchanged, and should have a +2 added on for each + on active on the holding. While the Class type holdings are near useless since most groups have their training in settlement, and not using a holding to swap out for another building. But when the new settlement upkeep costs come in, folks might be going with higher + Class type holdings since their upkeep is cheaper and can help give feats that are needed, but since it caps at level 15, it might be a pain (if the equation was +0 starts at 10, and every + was two levels then folks would use them more) i.e 10(+0), 12,(+1), 14(+2), 16(+3), 18(+4), 20(+5) Now Crafting type holdings are the most useless of them all for one major reason; They are not connected to a bank in the settlement. Add in that +0 Crafting holdings have NO crafting queue, and the quality rating is poor from +1 to +5. To make if worth people's while to put up and use crafting type holdings, the Queue MUST be available at even +0, and the crafting quality should be 100 at +0 (effectively settlement level 12). The Crafting quality equation for holdings should be (100+(2.8*(+Val))^2), or (100(+0), 107.84(+1), 131.36(+3), 170.56(+3), 225.44 (+4), 296(+5)). This would make them useful and with a way of making the higher + values worth it. Quote

Azure_Zero 04.13.2016 06:33

Decius
Placement of inns isn't a problem, it's an emergent effect working nearly as intended. If there is a problem it's that none of the other holdings do anything (and possibly that inns don't have a way to profit from outside use or limit who can use it).

I have to agree with Decius on this to a good degree.
The Inn holding is freaking great next to a monster/home hex since you don't need to travel far to recharge.
But All the inns I've seen are +0, most likely due to the fact the power recharge rate is unchanged, and should have a +2 added on for each + on active on the holding.

While the Class type holdings are near useless since most groups have their training in settlement, and not using a holding to swap out for another building. But when the new settlement upkeep costs come in, folks might be going with higher + Class type holdings since their upkeep is cheaper and can help give feats that are needed, but since it caps at level 15, it might be a pain (if the equation was +0 starts at 10, and every + was two levels then folks would use them more)
i.e 10(+0), 12,(+1), 14(+2), 16(+3), 18(+4), 20(+5)

Now Crafting type holdings are the most useless of them all for one major reason; They are not connected to a bank in the settlement. Add in that +0 Crafting holdings have NO crafting queue, and the quality rating is poor from +1 to +5. To make if worth people's while to put up and use crafting type holdings, the Queue MUST be available at even +0, and the crafting quality should be 100 at +0 (effectively settlement level 12). The Crafting quality equation for holdings should be (100+(2.8*(+Val))^2),
or (100(+0), 107.84(+1), 131.36(+3), 170.56(+3), 225.44 (+4), 296(+5)).
This would make them useful and with a way of making the higher + values worth it.

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Azure_Zero 04.13.2016 06:05
	Congrats. Quote

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