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All posts created by Jokken

Jokken
After much internal debate and introspection into the events of the previous year, the citizens of the High Road Covenant recognize that our fellow Brothers and Sisters of the North are of like mind, goals, and ambition. In light of this, our citizenry has made the decision to dissolve the entity formerly known as the High Road Covenant. From this day forward citizens of Caer Coedwig, High Road, Talonguard, Tavernhold and Veggr Tor shall henceforth be recognized members of the Dominion of the Northern Marches with the full rights and responsibilities inherent therein. From this day forward we move together into a future in which the North is a unified nation and a positive force for good in the River Kingdoms.
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Jokken
Caldeathe Baequiannia
I keep telling you, being short and choosing armour colours that clash does not make Dvalin a Pokemon.

BWAHAHAHA catch me if you can….
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Jokken
I'm for the dialog box on terms that it is a nice reminder. Having it function so that it "turns off" the gathering of that item while still collecting items not degraded may go against the original spirit of design as pertaining to resource scarcity. Many concepts of original spirit of design are murky at this point.

I am definitely against increasing gathering time proportional to resource degradation. After all, why else would someone spend xp past rank 14 gathering if not to increase yields and lower gathering times per click to increase the effectiveness of hostile strip mining? Having an effective means of economic warfare coded into inefficacy would be a detriment in the long term.
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Jokken
Welcome to the River Kingdoms!
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Eyraphel Teralyn
@Mistwalker

As one of the Brighthaven members who, like you, are giving the opposition the benefit of the doubt, I've been elected the point of contact for BHA in this matter. If you wish to discuss viewpoints preceding any negotiations, I'm available on Paizo and in our Mumble. Either way, I expect to be emailing you tonight.

With that said, I hope that both sides can refrain from publicly engaging each other here, as I don't believe anyone should be proud of several things written on both sides. Clearly, it's not aiding the situation, and reportedly even the best-stocked households are running out of popcorn.

Thank you for your efforts.
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Jokken
Mistwalker
Can I suggest that people accept that there are huge differences of opinion, and not continue to restate positions again and again?

In lieu of breaking my keyboard and flipping my table, I think I shall take your wise council…
Jokken grumbles in disgust, "Frigging legalistic, antagonistic… grrrr… The only good lawyer is…. grrr… …not enough sand, I say," and walks away shaking head.
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Jokken
Mistwalker
Can I suggest that people accept that there are huge differences of opinion, and not continue to restate positions again and again?

In lieu of breaking my keyboard and flipping my table, I think I shall take your wise council…
Jokken grumbles in disgust, Frigging legalistic, antagonistic… grrrr… The only good lawyer is…. grrr… …not enough sand, I say," and walks away shaking head.
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Jokken
Caldeathe Baequiannia
MidniteArrow
Jokken
If this were the case, why was BHA-2 never claimed in your original border announcement? (now known as BHA-1) If you considered those hexes your property, one would assume you would have claimed them in your territory claim.

[ooc] BHA-1 and BHA-2 were two maps both referenced by the original BHA declaration. BHA-2 was later revised to reduce the territorial claim and give HRC shared ownership of the territory.
This is likely a reference to the fact that a version of BHA1 appeared many months ago, about the time the EBA dissolved, while there was no mention at that time of BHA2. I.e., in the other maps that have recently vanished from the Covenant of the Phoenix map image folder.

That was precisely my point. ThE claim eventually labeled BHA-1 existed for a fair length of time and was not modified and relabeled until after the HTC made its claim.
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Decius
Might I suggest "Until negotiations are completed or break down, members of each polity will not enter the undisputed territory of the other, nor engage in any aggressive action within the disputed territory" along with "It is agreed that the removal of any structure placed after the beginning of negotiations, when incidental to any agreement, would not be considered a concession of any kind, but where an agreement is reached where the construction of such buildings would become unobjectionable, no harm would have been done by them being placed prior to final execution."?

Those got a little bit wordy because the letter of the intent clearly needs to be spelled out, but since I think nobody involved would make the spurious claims required to pretend loopholes existed I think they would stand.
I'm posting this for the sake of reference as it clearly states our position of minimum requirements for the the continuing of negotiations:

Jokken
If this were the case, why was BHA-2 never claimed in your original border announcement? (now known as BHA-1) If you considered those hexes your property, one would assume you would have claimed them in your territory claim.

As a lawful and "good" society, why did you not include the area of interest adjacent to Rotter's Hole when you announced your land claim in the South East?

Why, after we communicated that we support the existence of your tavern as a social point of interaction and trade hub in the region, did you feel the need to claim territorial land around it?

Why did you insist on a minimum of "shared ownership" after we agreed to give you rights and access to that land for a symbolic token payment?

Now we are at an impasse.

Remove the holdings, withdraw your political land claim within the Bulwark Hills, answer the questions I have made in this post and negotiations can continue. Do not and they shall not. You accuse us of stalling, etc, etc. From our perspective, you are stalling.

And now I have specific questions for you, Decius. Why is a member of Phaeros interjecting themselves into these negotiations at every turn? Is Phaeros a member of the BHA? My cursory examinations would say no. Does Decius have the authority to negotiate deals for the BHA? Is Decius' main stake in this thread that he gains personal enjoyment in empty legal pandering and trolling Cal? I can understand the need to give an opinion on the matter and make a point or two. However, looking over the history of these threads, that does not appear to be your intent. You sat down at our negotiating table and are now acting as a self appointed mediator.

The same can be said of Bringslite to a lesser extent, but the Dominion and the HRC share ownership of territory in a loose alliance. Does Phaeros claim the same with the BHA?
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Bringslite
If the real problem is simply that The HRC will not guarantee access to the Tavern in perpetuity and regardless of any state of ongoing conflict, I suggest they reconsider that. It is a small enough concession.

The HRC granted the BHA the right to travel to and from their tavern on the shield road regardless of our political relationship. This is a guarantee. We unilaterally agree that attacking someone for traversing the shield road is wrong. However, if we are at odds and you are found in the Bulwark Hills not on the shield road, we will chase you down and take your husk. Running back to the shield road after we catch you will not spare you from punishment.

The BHA's response to this was that asking them to go round 3 or so hexes extra in times of political stress is an unreasonable expectation of access.
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