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All posts created by Jokken

Jokken
Caldeathe Baequiannia
"legal shenanigans will not be tolerated" – Jokken

You asked for the "No holdings" and didn't actually mean for it to apply to you too, we've already established that one.

You beat me to it Cal, carry on.
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Jokken
Fishing is all about lures and jigs.
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MidniteArrow
[Drakis] This conflict began with HRC drawing a national border around BHA property, and continues only because they are unwilling to negotiate that border.

If this were the case, why was BHA-2 never claimed in your original border announcement? (now known as BHA-1) If you considered those hexes your property, one would assume you would have claimed them in your territory claim. We claimed the hexes within the Bulwark Hills excluding all shield hexes and NPC settlements. (this technically excluded your tavern, know only to us as Andius' Tavern whom was already long gone in a ball of fiery wrath and displeasure) Then we get a new claim from you with a two hex ring inside of our claim. Now you state that the conflict exists because we officially claimed territory that already belonged to you. At the time of our claim you had NO holdings in the area and had not since the implementation of holdings.

As a lawful and "good" society, why did you not include the area of interest adjacent to Rotter's Hole when you announced your land claim in the South East? Why, after we communicated that we support the existence of your tavern as a social point of interaction and trade hub in the region, did you feel the need to claim territorial land around it? Why did you insist on a minimum of "shared ownership" after we agreed to give you rights and access to that land for a symbolic token payment? The ONLY thing we asked you not to do is make any claim of actual ownership or political possession of land within the Bulwark Hills region. (excluding shield and NPC hexes) Going into the second meeting we were given a counter proposal which requested shared ownership and offered a minor symbolic payment for that ownership. It was pretty clear it was a take it or leave it ultimatum, one in which it was implied, but not stated, that you would use overwhelming force to enforce. We expressed the need for further internal discussion before accepting your offer carte blanche. We even offered to schedule the follow up so there was no confusion as to a timeline. We were told to "take our time and consider it carefully." Either during this meeting or within hours after you placed holdings in the disputed territory.

Now we are at an impasse.

Remove the holdings, withdraw your political land claim within the Bulwark Hills, answer the questions I have made in this post and negotiations can continue. Do not and they shall not. You accuse us of stalling, etc, etc. From our perspective, you are stalling. Ask the Dominion and Golgotha and both will tell you that we are reasonable and honorable people who keep their word when it is finally given.
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Jokken
Bwahahaha +1
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Drogon
He can't defend himself because he was Banned for being a cheater. Any defense he would be able to claim would be debatable because he was/is a liar caught red handed.

Please refrain from painting our current organization and situation with Takasi and his past transgressions. They were unsanctioned and viewed as a deplorable act by our community. If this thread becomes locked as the last thread was, you will have a better picture as to why.
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MidknightDiamond
Wow, someone's got their knickers in quite a twist don't they? And this is exactly why so many people can't stand the SE, so very pompous and trying to dictate to everyone how to play.

First Cheatle, and now you. How utterly quaint.

And no, because of course it will be brought up, I don't speak on behalf of anyone but myself in this. A single individual who is simply reached the end and is absolutely and utterly fed up and disgusted with this nonsense.

+1

Oh no, someone agrees with the "antagonistic", "lawless," "unaccountable," hill folk in the northwest. My, my….
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Jokken
Congratulations, my friends. I feel the North is better today because of your solidarity. /salute
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Bringslite
Drogon
Caldeathe Baequiannia
Drogon
In my opinion your version or perception of the way things happened is incorrect.
Apparently we have something in common. I have no idea how we are supposed to get past you saying our position is one we don't hold, or that we said things we never said.

So you do not deny that Jokken called everyone on the server "Morons" for making previous territorial claims?

You know, if he did call us all Morons, it makes me giggle. We certainly act like Morons sometimes. If it is because we are drawing lines on the map, I can see why he would say that. The HRC has always been against that and while both Jokken and I know the reasons for both of us to disagree about it, we probably both shake our heads at the folly of the other guy's philosophy.

It doesn't wound me to read that.

For the record, I did, and still feel that the act of drawing colored shapes onto a map and expecting others with whom you have no social history to respect those claims is a moronic act. Therefore, those with those expectations I consider morons by proxy. I have been a hugely vocal advocate among my cadre for not doing such things. However, given the recent political pressure and declaration of nearby hexes within our lands as "unclaimed," I relented and supported the will of the HRC to make an official territory claim.

If you can stand on a soapbox and proclaim that in your heart you do not feel that the Bulwark Hills is the home of the HRC, while keeping strait face, I have to give you props for it, but you're wrong.
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Jokken
Do you consider yourself a Citizen of the North? Do you support BHA-2? I'd like to hear from you.

Do you consider yourself a Citizen of the North? Do you object to the BHA-2 declaration? I'd definitely like to hear from you.

PMs on coalroad.com appreciated.
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Bringslite
All you Midlanders… Always thinking you are Northlanders where the real men live! Pffft! smile

+1
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